Ahhhhhhh yes the ramblings will NEVER cease, so it seems when it comes to when,where, and with whom the Chicago Bears will take that step to being the leagues next perennial winner .. Sorry I won't be happy with just one,... Ole Mikey MC saw to that So I want more ! ! !
I am tired of seeing other teams like the 9ersz , Cowboys, Packers even … having their way when comes to being a force AND WINNER in he NFL
The current debacle or could it still be growing pains from the lack of an improper upbringing into the game ? ,...seem to exist as some can never seem to be happy enough when it comes to who's at the helm taking the snaps for the Bears.
IMO Jay's the best thing that's come along in long long time,... since the invention of NFL football, hot dogs, apple pie and Ford and yet the criticism lingers … Posted here are the stats of the QBs who have played and are playing for the Bears the Last 8 years or so … One thing that seems odd and seems to stand out to me Cutler seems to be the guy who outshines everyone thus far If you want to start with QB ratings ,.... What's even funnier some Bears QBs manage to improve their QB Ratings after they left Chicago … My Issues with the so called Cutler debacle is the coaching staff and the open can of worms they have right in front of them. Now some of you may want to boast about the Head coach's so called achievements .. Okay fine go ahead. Answer one question for those of you who feel he is the savior, and that he truly and really does walk on water : Where's the Lombardi?
Contrary to what I typed the other day Martz was a waste of time . In sense he was but wasn't As it is clear that during his tenure here Jay's QB rating was similar to when he was in Denver. Sure, Martz 's offense could have worked if he had it all here as had it when Martz was with the Rams .. BUT he didn't have it all and his production suffered and for the most part, Martz didn't have that Oline he had ..nor the receivers
When and who has this staff managed to develop into a Number 1 QB, a true number receiver, a consistent Pro bowl caliber line ? WHEN answer that before you decide to flame and critique What I find the funniest of all stats is that Grossman improved his rating under Shanahan .. but yet he is still the bench warmer .. Orton under a different system in Denver improved his QB rating ,. neither have mounted to much other than Orton proving he's solid back up QB ..
AND Don't even think of bashing Shanahan, the man is a back to back Super Bowl Champion, truly an achievement beyond dreaming , especially in today's game
Bash Cutler all you want I say,...to the many or the few ,.. He can win,... give him what he needs. This ownership and management are doing this all backwards and have been doing so in going back to last winningest team this franchise has had. Tice's is the OC,... What does he bring to the table ? Why are there issues with an Oline ? An O line that is pretty much the same it was a year ago when they went on that little run before Cutler got hurt ? Why the constant issues ??
Overall IMHO I feel if Peyton,Eli, Drew or Brady had been here under similar circumstances having ended up here in Chicago through the course of their careers, they would not be who they are today. If you believe they could have, then you're only fooling yourselves maybe '05 and '06 they could have excelled and have better QB ratings and maybe a Lombardi in '06, but beyond that ,... it's been nothing but downhill for the Bears oline …
The oline truly the biggest piece of the puzzle when it comes to building a championship team,...if this isn't working RB'S aren't getting their holes , timings are messed up between the QB and receivers even on shorts routes
Can he? Definitely. Will he? I don't know. He certainly can't have the meltdowns he has at times, like the one in Green Bay. If he can't play well against the top team in our division consistently, I'm not sure. He has to fix things with his head because that's where all of his problems are. The ability is there without a doubt. What he needs to do is smooth out the lows. The high points are as good as any QB in the league. The low points are worse than almost any top tier QB.
Smooth those out, don't have melt downs (I'm talking 4INT chucking it all over the field meltdowns, not the stupid sideline stuff) and he can be great.
Can he? Definitely. Will he? I don't know. He certainly can't have the meltdowns he has at times, like the one in Green Bay. If he can't play well against the top team in our division consistently, I'm not sure. He has to fix things with his head because that's where all of his problems are. The ability is there without a doubt. What he needs to do is smooth out the lows. The high points are as good as any QB in the league. The low points are worse than almost any top tier QB.
Smooth those out, don't have melt downs (I'm talking 4INT chucking it all over the field meltdowns, not the stupid sideline stuff) and he can be great.
So if Cutty had thrown two less pics and limited himself in being sacked to maybe 3 or 4 times,... the Packer loss is still on him ?
Yes Cutler can. If the playcalling stays like it was Monday against the Cowboys. We have to establish the short passing game early so defenses wont blitz all the time. That was the key to the game. Ive said since the GB game that the playcalling had to change and they had to establish that early, which they did a little in the SL game. We didnt do it early enough in the game, but it worked out. Cutler has the arm to make any throw on the field. He also has the accuracy. We have the talent now on offense...the only thing that was lacking was the playcalling. Just hope Tice continues what he did Monday night early in the game.
Can he? Definitely. Will he? I don't know. He certainly can't have the meltdowns he has at times, like the one in Green Bay. If he can't play well against the top team in our division consistently, I'm not sure. He has to fix things with his head because that's where all of his problems are. The ability is there without a doubt. What he needs to do is smooth out the lows. The high points are as good as any QB in the league. The low points are worse than almost any top tier QB.
Smooth those out, don't have melt downs (I'm talking 4INT chucking it all over the field meltdowns, not the stupid sideline stuff) and he can be great.
So if Cutty had thrown two less pics and limited himself in being sacked to maybe 3 or 4 times,... the Packer loss is still on him ?
I wasn't referring to the Packers game in specific just in general. We can see by his body of work after three years that he has the potential to be a top flight QB. To be fair, we all know he's had a horrible offensive line and receivers. Those would have and will help him a lot. There are still mental things he needs to work out.
The Packers game is actually a good example. Some of those throws were just chucking it out there. Take a sack, throw it out of bounds, keep yourself and your team in the game.
Take the Redskins game from 2010. The way he played in the situation we were in as a team (very close game) cost us greatly. He has to realize those game situations and when to take chances and when not too. Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't.
Don't think that I don't want him for our QB or want to get rid of him. Far from it. I love that the Bears don't have the QB questions anymore and want him to be successful and lead us to multiple championships. I'm not saying he can't or won't. I'm saying from what I've seen in the three years watching him is that I don't know.
Can he? Definitely. Will he? I don't know. He certainly can't have the meltdowns he has at times, like the one in Green Bay. If he can't play well against the top team in our division consistently, I'm not sure. He has to fix things with his head because that's where all of his problems are. The ability is there without a doubt. What he needs to do is smooth out the lows. The high points are as good as any QB in the league. The low points are worse than almost any top tier QB.
Smooth those out, don't have melt downs (I'm talking 4INT chucking it all over the field meltdowns, not the stupid sideline stuff) and he can be great.
So if Cutty had thrown two less pics and limited himself in being sacked to maybe 3 or 4 times,... the Packer loss is still on him ?
I wasn't referring to the Packers game in specific just in general. We can see by his body of work after three years that he has the potential to be a top flight QB. To be fair, we all know he's had a horrible offensive line and receivers. Those would have and will help him a lot. There are still mental things he needs to work out.
The Packers game is actually a good example. Some of those throws were just chucking it out there. Take a sack, throw it out of bounds, keep yourself and your team in the game.
Take the Redskins game from 2010. The way he played in the situation we were in as a team (very close game) cost us greatly. He has to realize those game situations and when to take chances and when not too. Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't.
Don't think that I don't want him for our QB or want to get rid of him. Far from it. I love that the Bears don't have the QB questions anymore and want him to be successful and lead us to multiple championships. I'm not saying he can't or won't. I'm saying from what I've seen in the three years watching him is that I don't know.
I voted "yes" by the way. =).
I can see he has his quirks . and do know they need to be attend to,...quirks aside I feel he could be doing a whole lot better under better coaching ... as this staff I feel is hanging on the balance of the teams overall success this season. Maybe Cutty wants new blood, if so,... quite frankly, I don't blame him ..even before Cutty the offense as a whole across the board was suspect aside from a few key players here and there. I'm sick of seeing the Bears draft receivers and them not mounting to much and this goes back the begining of the current regime.
IMHO Drake is lame duck coach who should have been dumped the last time Lovie did his firings along with Lovie's other butt buddy Bobby D Boy Babbles Babich,which IMO were probably were forced firings
I can be like Shoopy too. Do Ya Mind Sellin Shoppy Sales ??? I'll at least point the finger where it really needs pointing
Can he? Definitely. Will he? I don't know. He certainly can't have the meltdowns he has at times, like the one in Green Bay. If he can't play well against the top team in our division consistently, I'm not sure. He has to fix things with his head because that's where all of his problems are. The ability is there without a doubt. What he needs to do is smooth out the lows. The high points are as good as any QB in the league. The low points are worse than almost any top tier QB.
Smooth those out, don't have melt downs (I'm talking 4INT chucking it all over the field meltdowns, not the stupid sideline stuff) and he can be great.
So if Cutty had thrown two less pics and limited himself in being sacked to maybe 3 or 4 times,... the Packer loss is still on him ?
I wasn't referring to the Packers game in specific just in general. We can see by his body of work after three years that he has the potential to be a top flight QB. To be fair, we all know he's had a horrible offensive line and receivers. Those would have and will help him a lot. There are still mental things he needs to work out.
The Packers game is actually a good example. Some of those throws were just chucking it out there. Take a sack, throw it out of bounds, keep yourself and your team in the game.
Take the Redskins game from 2010. The way he played in the situation we were in as a team (very close game) cost us greatly. He has to realize those game situations and when to take chances and when not too. Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't.
Don't think that I don't want him for our QB or want to get rid of him. Far from it. I love that the Bears don't have the QB questions anymore and want him to be successful and lead us to multiple championships. I'm not saying he can't or won't. I'm saying from what I've seen in the three years watching him is that I don't know.
I voted "yes" by the way. =).
I can see he has his quirks . and do know they need to be attend to,...quirks aside I feel he could be doing a whole lot better under better coaching ... as this staff I feel is hanging on the balance of the teams overall success this season. Maybe Cutty wants new blood, if so,... quite frankly, I don't blame him ..even before Cutty the offense as a whole across the board was suspect aside from a few key players here and there. I'm sick of seeing the Bears draft receivers and them not mounting to much and this goes back the begining of the current regime.
IMHO Drake is lame duck coach who should have been dumped the last time Lovie did his firings along with Lovie's other butt buddy Bobby D Boy Babbles Babich,which IMO were probably were forced firings
I can be like Shoopy too. Do Ya Mind Sellin Shoppy Sales ??? I'll at least point the finger where it really needs pointing
You are absolutely right about Drake. What the hell has he done since he has been here to develop a WR?? What a waste of space.
And yes, the GB game is a good example...of terrible coaching. The playcalling in that game was terrible. Cutler was making poor throws because he was trying to make a play. I realize he made some mistakes, but he got killed in that game and never had a chance to throw the ball. When your knocked down 20 times, hurried 20+, there isnt much you can do as a QB. The coaching staff put him in a position to force throws since they were getting him killed. Had the gameplan been like it was in the beginning of the Cowboys game, it would have been a totally different game. I think Tice learned a lot from that game. Unfortunately, our HC cant make adjustments and never told Tice to change his gameplan. Back to bad coaching...
Yes Cutler can. If the playcalling stays like it was Monday against the Cowboys. We have to establish the short passing game early so defenses wont blitz all the time. That was the key to the game. Ive said since the GB game that the playcalling had to change and they had to establish that early, which they did a little in the SL game. We didnt do it early enough in the game, but it worked out. Cutler has the arm to make any throw on the field. He also has the accuracy. We have the talent now on offense...the only thing that was lacking was the playcalling. Just hope Tice continues what he did Monday night early in the game.
I LIKE THIS
If the playcalling stays like it was Monday against the Cowboys.
Good post $$LaMuulla$$
BUT I take issue with O line still
It scares me to think the oline might take another 8 week vacation like it did the last time the Bears played in Dallas where again they were expected to lose and they won. It was Tice's first season as O line coach .. although it turned out to be Martz playing things differently after that game wanting those 7 step drops daaaaaaaaah ,, it took Martz 8 more weeks to figure out that 7 step drops weren't going to work and what Tice had figured out for Dallas was a way to go
Problem solved??? hmmmm MAYBE
So let's go to last season before Cutty got hurt ,.. Why can't these guys be coached up to this level again ??? is what gets my blood boiling
after a pizz poor start they rattled off what?? 6 or 7 wins in row ? Then it was all down hill after Cutty went down
Problem solved ... Hmmmm have to wonder
then we have the Packers Game where the Bears barely made any adjustments, if any were made at at all
we all know the answer here
as it seems,... in the past and again already discussed this season ..It seems now is the time,....the Bears are finally coming out of their preseason mode
::::shaking head in disgust :::
maybe the questions being asked instead of badgering Cutty,....Should be: is the Oline going to show up will the play calling be appropriate AND CONSISTENT will adjustments be made on the fly if need be ??
Problem solved here??? YET TO BE SEEN
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Believe me, I do not like the Oline whatsoever. The problem with this years GB game was our first game against the Colts. The Oline played a pretty good game. The offense looked good, and we didnt have to run a bunch of short routes to keep the defense honest.
The unfortunate thing for us is that Lovie just cant adjust during the game. Maybe he just doesnt want to tell his coaching staff how to do their job. Maybe he doesnt know what to do himself. That would make sense since his game management is terrible as well.
Bottom line, we have to be able to make adjustments during games. Something very rare since Lovie has been HC.
Sellin Shooppy Sales,.... the ONLY reason it's a conundrum ,... is because you're making it that way
maybe a better and more revised a second edition,...might sell more he he he
nikki nik nak
Nikki Nik Nak (paddywhack, give a dog a bone):
the shoopster respectfully requests you rescind your vote on whether the "(j)a(y)-hole" and suspend the voting in your poll until you and your fellow voters reconsider the full consequences of "The Cutler Conundrum."
Please suspend this thread until you have taken the proper time to reread the shoopster's recent thread entitled - of course - "The Cutler Conundrum" and evaluate the implications . . .
